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Kent Trammell (theluthier)

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[ENDED] BC1-1808 - August 2018 Class Homepage - Getting Started with 3D Modeling & Blender 2.8


Announcement #6 (9/6/18): One last thing. Here's all of Kate's homework reels for your viewing pleasure!

  1. Week 1 Homework Reel
  2. Week 2 Homework Reel
  3. Week 3 Homework Reel
  4. Week 4 Homework Reel

Announcement #5 (9/4/18): This class if officially over. See page 26 for the closing post and don't forget to fill out the questionnaire


Announcement #4 (8/27/18): REMINDER that this week's stream is on Wednesday, NOT Tuesday. I'm out of the office Monday (8/27) and Tuesday (8/28) but will be back in full grading force on Wednesday.


Announcement #3 (8/6/18): New way to Submit Homework. Please create a unique forum thread to contain all your homework submissions for the month, rather than everyone submitting in this main thread. More info on page 12.


Announcement #2 (8/7/18): Zsolt has done it again. He's prepared the report card document for this month. Feel free to monitor your grades there throughout the next 4-5 weeks.


Announcement #1 (8/6/18): Class is officially in session!


**Experienced Blender users are Welcome! Clarification about involvement on page 2 of this thread.


SYLLABUS


Welcome to the CGCookie Class: Getting Started with 3D Modeling & Blender 2.8! If you're interested in computer graphics, 3D modeling, and you're new to Blender / new to Blender 2.8, this class is where you need to be.

This "Class" format invites all Citizen members to focus together on a particular topic/skill for a month. Participation looks like this:

  • RSVP and attend the Live Events
  • Watch the pre-recorded education outlined below
  • Ask questions
  • Submit homework by creating a unique forum thread to contain all your homework submissions for the month.
  • Generally be active in this thread

WHEN? The class will take place from August 6th - September 4th.

✅ WEEK 1: First Time with Blender 2.8 (August 6-12)


Abstract: The goal this week is to simply get familiar with the application. We’ve all been there: Opening Blender (or any 3D package), gazing at all the crazy UI, trying to orbit in the viewport, crying...Ok, maybe you were stronger than me and didn’t cry. But the reality is 3D software is daunting. There’s SO MUCH to digest especially when you’re a beginner.

This first week we’re going to overview Blender 2.8 and 3D from an absolutely beginner perspective. What is Blender for? What can it do? Wait, this isn’t a juicing seminar?

Goal of the Week: Get comfortable with Blender 2.8's UI, viewport navigation, creation and position objects.

Pre-recorded course to watch:

Week 1 Live Event (Remember to RSVP!)

Homework:

✅ WEEK 2: Pushing & Pulling Verts (August 13-19)


Abstract: Enter the world of mesh modeling: The oldest form of building 3D objects with your computer. We’ll discuss the technical art of “pushing and pulling verts” as modelers often call it. Welcome to this wild, geometric world!

Goal of the Week: Practicing editing a polygonal mesh's components to create a custom 3D model.

Pre-recorded courses to watch:

Week 2 Live Event (Don't forget to RSVP)

Homework:

  • Model a 3D object using mesh modeling techniques [post image(s) to this thread]

✅WEEK 3: Digital Clay (August 20-26)

Abstract: Digital sculpting is the more artistically intuitive method of 3D modeling. If pushing and pulling verts felt like the hard way of doing things, sculpting will be a welcomed alternative!

Goal of the Week: Practice digital sculpting.

Pre-recorded courses to watch:

Article to Read: Big Idea: Digital Tablets

Week 3 Live Event (Don't forget to RSVP)

Homework:

  • Do the Melvin sculpting exercise [post a link to your submission in a reply to this thread]
  • Sculpt 3 primitives as demo'd in the live stream [post screenshots]
    • Cube from a sphere
    • Sphere from a cube
    • Cone from a sphere
  • EXTRA CREDIT: Pick on of these options:
    • Sculpt a human face [post a screenshot]
    • Sculpt *something* of your choice [post a screenshot]
           

✅WEEK 4: Next Steps as a Blender Modeler (August 27-September 2)

Abstract: At this point, you've been introduced to the key 3D modeling methods. Meaning that you have the tools you need to MODEL STUFF! This is where practice will make perfect. This is where you build stuff.

Goal of the Week: Be inspired to continue modeling and spend the week modeling or sculpting a challenging object.

Pre-recorded courses to watch: Modeling in Blender Learning Flow

Week 4 Live Event (Don't forget to RSVP)

Homework:

  • Model and/or sculpt something challenging this week! Try tackling a character, a vehicle, a houshold object, whatever. Show me what you've learned. Show me what you're capable of! [post image(s) to this thread]

✅Class Wrap-Up Stream (First Tuesday in September)

We'll be doing a 5th live stream to close out the class, review week 4 homework, and possibly a special guest.

This thread is reserved for CG Cookie Citizens that are participating in the "Getting Started with 3D Modeling & Blender 2.8" class. Its purpose is to serve as central communication for all participating Citizens (excluding Hobby plan Citizens) to ask Kent and fellow participants questions and to post homework. As the instructor of the class, Kent will be monitoring this thread on a daily basis (especially Mon-Thurs) throughout the month of Auguest to review homework and answer questions.

Free members are welcome to observe the thread but please respect that communication and participation is reserved for Citizens.


  • Looking forward to this, and its with 2.8, awesome:)

  • I have been excited about this class since I first saw it anounced, I'm in! 

    2.8 is a great bonus, very cool 

  • Wow, been a while since I've seen a class thread without more than one thousand posts:)

  • Isn't it too early to get in touch with 2.8 seriously? Release candidate is only in late October. Although in any case it will be interesting.

    • nekronavt I think the alpha (or beta?) version is planned this august, and it apparently might be stable enough to cover the basics. I'll be following that class for that purpose, whatever can help transitioning faster :)

    • tbrbn It's already in alpha :) Your point is good. I agree.

      theluthier you have the Week 1 Live Event link incorrect.

    • crew

      nekronavt Whoops, thanks for the correction! Just fixed it.

      You make a good point that this class turned out to land in a weird time. While it's been scheduled for a few months, I did not know 2.8 would be entering final stages. So if I teach 2.79, that info will likely be significantly outdated in a month of two following the class. But if I go with 2.8, will it be too early?

      Based on the few hours I've spent using 2.8, I believe it will be stable enough for this class.

    • theluthier you still have some inconsistency in url of first and second events. Title says BC1-1808 and url says BC1-1807 :)

    • crew

      nekronavt Heh you're an eagle eye! Yeah way back when I first scheduled I made the mistake of 1807 instead of 1808. So the URL got created with 1807 and I don't have access to change the URL, only the title. Figured our one very busy dev had better things to do than correct my url mistake..but maybe I should ask him to fix it 😅

      jjakeblended I don't think I said that, as I don't remember regretting going LMB select, but seem to remember someone saying that in a stream recently. Maybe Jonathan Williamson or Wayne Dixon 🤔 I do remember discovering Bassam Kurdali uses LMB select and it made me feel infinitely validated in my choice lol

    • theluthier thanks - your clarification does sound more familiar!


      I'm conflicted about this course.  On the one hand I do intend to watch the live streams and maybe hang out in the thread and offer help or encouragement and that sort of thing.  But actually doing the exercises, and submitting material to be graded alongside the submissions by very new beginners (presumably) the course is mostly intended for?  I'm not so sure, it seems unfair to me, like a kind of sandbagging.  One of the class rules is "no flexing" and I kind of feel like that would be flexing, of a sort.

    • jjakeblended I'm just going to attend the live streams.

    • jjakeblended  I feel conflicted too. I wanna do my best but on the other hand it'll just feel like I'm just being a tryhard in an attempt to belittle newer users. But how do we determine what's just going the extra mile and doing your best from being arrogant and doing it to primarily intimidate beginners to make yourself look good? Obviously intent is the main factor but I don't really think you can determine that from a forum post unless they're being obnoxiously blatant about it.


      I felt a bit like this in the last week of the previous class but the difference there is that was a more advanced class to begin with, so we all were roughly within each others skill level. Here the disparity in experience is presumably going to be much larger.


      I dunno, to be honest. I wanna try my absolute hardest but without coming across as a jerk, and I don't know how that'd be done in a tolerable manner. Maybe I'm overthinking it. Maybe not. Either way I'm still looking forward to the class, maybe as it approaches we'll gain insight on what will be considered respectable.


    • thecabbagedetective, theluthier 

      How about this.  Maybe we can post our lessons, but explain that we have more experience than a beginner.  Maybe post our blend files, so the beginners can download and pick apart our projects to ask questions.  That way, we're helping and participating?  

      Something like that?

  • All right, so maybe I should take the Getting Started class after all. ^^

    I *think* I remember that in some live stream - maybe it was during the sculpt class?, theluthier very briefly made mention that although he always used left-click select for Blender, he recently saw something that made him realize that the default right-click select is actually very useful in a certain way and he wished he had learned it that way instead, although I don't remember what exactly it was that he had seen.  Am I just imagining all of that?  If not, I'm wondering if whether I could or should take advantage of the shift to 2.8 to try and switch to right-click select as well.

  • Here we go agaaaaaaain, need to get these commissions wrapped up before August haha. Looking forward to picking up some tips on this one, that and the possibility of helping out.

  • 2.8; VERY interesting...

  • I have kind of the same thing. I'm not a beginner, maybe just an advanced user, certainly no pro. But if I do my best, will I be discarded as a show off? I just want an honest critique on how I can improve.  There are still things I can learn from the beginners courses, I think.

  • theluthier Oh Kent, those expressions in the class images are great!  Looking forward to the livestreams and helping everyone!  Excited to get digging into 2.8, as well!

  • QUESTION:  How do I download Blender 2.8 Alpha?  When I do it from the Blender Builder page, it downloads the non-alpha version.

  • crew

    Clarification for experienced users interested in this class

    TL;DR - Try you're hardest; always do your best within class context! If you're concerned about 'flexing' I'd say that's proof enough that your intentions are not to show-off. 


    I see there's some concern from experienced/advanced members about participating in the class but coming across as a 'tryhard'; a show-off. It's true that I always state in every class that show offs are not welcome here to flex. Let me try to clarify what I mean by that.

    In a way, it's intentionally ambiguous and meant to challenge someone to assess their actions preemptively more than it is a black and white rule. Honestly I've yet to see anyone flex in a class. And my metric for that is simply the fact that I've never sensed flexing and I've never seen students complain that someone is/seems to be flexing. I think that if someone is flexing, it will be easily sniffed out by the community. So far all participants have submitted homework according to their skill level within the context of the class and its assignments.

    That's key imo: Keeping within context. So for this class being aimed at beginners, intermediate-to-advanced users (non-beginners) support that aim by being an example and resource. charmn-one is on point here:

    ...we can post our lessons, but explain that we have more experience than a beginner.  Maybe post our blend files, so the beginners can download and pick apart our projects to ask questions.  That way, we're helping and participating?

    That's a fantastic approach to helping beginners! In fact if experienced users were absent from doing this, the class would be worse off. Having experienced users participating like this is a huge benefit.

    On the other hand if experienced users submit clearly advanced homework and say nothing; offer no insight - that's suspect. Frankly there's not much room in the homework (aside from the last week I suppose) for flexing; they're all pretty simple assignments that would be difficult to flex.

    I hope that clears things up!

    • theluthier  Aha, that clears some things up, thanks. I don't believe anyone here has any intentions of flexing, it's more so the concern that their skill will be misinterpreted as such. CGCookie - especially as a learning environment - is by far one of the most relaxed and friendly teaching platforms I've seen and we all want that to be maintained, but as you said it's more than likely easy enough to sniff out the ne'er-do-wells, which is thankful because I'm rather dim when it comes to that haha.


      I definitely agree with the proposition charmn-one made, it seems like a great way to help out fellow students and personally, with the desire to be a VA, this would go hand-in-hand with that. Even last month, which was considerably more advanced, had a vast amount of helpful advice and solutions to problems (which thanks again to you all by the way, really got me out of some scrapes), so I believe us as a community are more than capable of being an asset to the teaching process.


    • theluthier Thanks, that makes me a lot less conflicted about the situation.  Back to being just excited for this class!

       I've had a little trouble trying to port 2.7 projects to 2.8; they open, but for instance when I try to change the viewport from solid to a shaded or rendered view, 2.8 crashes.  I'm working right now to finish up my current project so that I have nothing left going on in 2.7 by the time the class starts.  I believe 2.8 will be hitting beta state about halfway through the month, so unless it is  crashy or buggy I think I might shift permanently to 2.8 after the class ends. 

    • theluthier Thank you very much for clarifying. I also wasn't sure whether I should participate or not, and I thought it would be better to sit this one out. But since you are going to use Blender 2.8 and I've been waiting to sink my teeth into it for a while now, I'm really looking forward to joining the class. I think my take on this will be to push simple techniques to their limits (to show beginner users what they'll be able to do in no time, and maybe, hopefully, to also inspire them) and to try and be more active in the thread.

  • theluthier Have you ever thought of asking some user reviews (with results) to promote classes here on CGCookie? If so, I'd be happy to write one :p. My hoverbike render is almost finished btw, so I could include that if it doesn't look like complete garbage :).

  • I'm looking forward to the live streams and the community participation! I was only able to catch the one sculpting live stream from the vehicle modeling course and it was fun, inspiring, and educational.

    Good times. Thanks.

    ~angel


  • Could somebody please explain what light probes are?  I have no idea what they do.


    • williamatics My understanding is simplistic and maybe incomplete, but here's what I know:

      A light probe is like a 360-degree image that describes the lighting in a scene.  Think of an HDRi - an HDRi contains two kinds of information, an actual photo image (which is what you see in the background and in the reflections of the objects in the scene) and lighting information, so that the 3D objects in the scene are lit (ostensibly) the same way as things in the photo image.  The part of the HDRi that contains the lighting information is a "light probe".  

      I think you can make or import or otherwise  use a light probe in Blender without an entire HDRi image, but I don't know how the particulars on how do that.  I think light probes independent of HDRi are more often used for game environments like in Unity, rather than Blender still images or animations.  But I could be wrong about that. 

  • Reading through the so far posts and seeing the familiar avatars from June I would like just repeat again, that BC3-1806 class was really special.. You guys are amazing with keeping the spirit of the classes and willing to help others so much.

    This idea with introducing Blender 2.8 is quite inspiring, personally would like to join again of course, anyway simply the reason is because only a CG Cookie class is able to keep me opening Blender everyday. That does not matter whether being beginner or on any level, the point is like the Nike slogan - Just Do It.

    As Katerina mentioned I would like to be also more active in the thread, for example from the report card we will see the absolutely new members in classes and could provide a kind of hypercare for them, with the target of keeping both the motivation and technical ability to post homeworks on all the 4 weeks. Because let's admit Blender is hard, especially at the beginning

  • what does this mean.  remember to RSVP  . and this: ask me anything (AMA) style. what is ama style?

    • yyukinoh1989 I'm pretty sure AMA stands for Ask Me Anything.  I don't really see what RSVPing does; you can still attend without RSVPing.

    • yyukinoh1989 RSVP is from French and stands for Répondez s'il vous plaît. In English it means "please reply" and is sometimes used in formal business communication. 

      I think Kent is trying to turn the classes into high-profile events. :-)

    • crew

      yyukinoh1989 Classes are available to all active citizen members. So if you signed up today for one month only, you'd only have access to the class for about half the month. If you only want to join for one month I recommend waiting till August 6th.

      Also regarding RSVP's: They're our only current metric for preemptively measuring the size of a class. The size of the class helps us determine A) the health of a class subject and B) RSVP's also help me determine how many volunteer assistants I need. If we have 100 RSVP's I know I need to find 1-2 volunteers to help.

      One day we'll have an official system in place that features registration which will make this metric more reliable.

      And AMA does mean "ask me anything" which is an invitation to livestream viewers to take advantage of that time to ask questions for immediate answers.


    • theluthier For the RSVP should i somewhere post that i will join in or not ?
      I also heard that the 2.8 will come up. some programs need to first be deleted then reinstalled .
      How does this work with blender ? Do i first delete it and then install again or is it more like he update the older version ?

    • crew

      yyukinoh1989 That's the purpose of RSVP's. if you RSVP to a live event it's telling me that you will be joining. If you don't RSVP it's telling me you won't be joining. Does that make sense?

      aarev That's a little overkill I think lol. Week 1's assignment is really designed to just get practice creating objects and placing them by hand in the viewport. You can use snapping and SHIFT + R to repeat the last command easily/quickly, but lattices and particle systems are way beyond scope.

      I can understand experienced users' temptation to go really complex while keeping within assignment context technically, but I don't think this is the right class for that. Rather I recommend you treat it like a simple assignment. Does that make sense?


    • theluthier
      That i understand but do i RSVP just by telling here i join or where i should say i join in ?


    • theluthier Ok, i will keep it simple.

    • yyukinoh1989 You RSVP by going to the event page and clicking the button that says "RSVP".  So, for the first week, click this link and it should look like this if you're able to attend: 


    • silentheart00
      Thanks a lot it worked. i think i am signed up now :) Look forward the the class.
      Right now i am following already some courses and trying to get more comfortable with blender .
      starting my first exercise now with the cube cone and uv sphere to remodel a bit using diffrent setting

    • yyukinoh1989 No problem!  Remember to do that for each of the weeks or any other events you want to attend, as well!  Looking forward to what you can make in the class!


    • silentheart00
      I sure will :D
      And i also am curious how i will do. Are you also participating ? (not sure if there is a list where to see the persons who will join in 

    • yyukinoh1989 Yeah, I'll be joining and plan to help out the class if Kent needs help.  Since he'll go over the new version of Blender, it'll be nice to have someone go over it before they get to redoing the intro courses.  It's going to be really fun and the community is very supportive.

    • theluthier Hello Kent, I'm learning Blender for about 2 months now (so not totally new, but most times I still feel like I don't know what I'm doing.. :-p ). Because I've been here a little while I recently already finished the 'model with primitives exercise'. 

      Is it okay if I make a new one during this class? I want to practise and make something more challenging than I did last time. And I haven't tried 2.8 yet, I want to practise with that too. I'm joining class to learn more and get better at modeling, so I want to do some homework :-)

      (I will also post the one I already did as proof I already past it)

      Thanks for hosting these awesome classes, I'm really looking forward to it !!

    • smurfmier1985  Whilst I'm not Kent if the last class is anything to go by then absolutely! Admittedly your old exercise would still be completely valid if you decide to use that instead but if you'd rather redo it to test your newfound skills then by all means go for it!


    • thecabbagedetective Thanks for your reply Aaron! Awesome, I will challenge myself with something new :-)

    • crew

      smurfmier1985 Welcome! And yes, for Week 1's homework you can absolutely provide a link to your primitives exercise as well as submit a second, unique primitives scene for the class.

      Glad you're looking forward to the class!

  • hey both thanx for the explenation (my english isnt not so good yet so if i make mistakes like writing etc pls correct me i would love to improve my english too this way :) )
    also i wonder what happens if i become a citizen now by upgrading for one month. can i still apply for the first classes or am i not allowed since i wont be able to complete them all ?
    if i am allowed to enter (even if its for 1 or 2 sessions where do i sign up and what happens if i cant follow class due to my diffrent working hours that constantly change ?  can i still review it or isnt that possible ?

  • Thanx william.
    I will keep that in mind .
    As for the class if i cannot attend to it can i still see and question later, or isnt that possible ?

  • I've been playing with 2.8 builds for a couple of days.  While we wait for the class, would this thread be appropriate for talking about things we learn about it, or about 2.8 in general, that may be more of interest to more experienced users of Blender?  Or would it be best not to clutter the thread with too many potentially advanced things that might confuse beginners, and better to start a different thread instead?

    • crew

      jjakeblended That's a good question. I'd like to talk about 2.8 questions/concerns in the livestreams but I could also imagine significant clutter happening here. How about you're welcome to make a list of questions/concerns in a single post in this thread - that way I/we can reference it concisely and I'll try to address them in a stream. I guess I'm trying to affirm you expressing your 2.8 questions without it turning into a confusing string of replies and such.

      If only we had the official system in place, all of this could be organized and wide open for convo in the Q&A tab..


    • theluthier are you implying there is going to be an updated/revamped message board? Personally, I do find this format a bit hard to follow and utilize (it's somewhat convoluted and not very intuitive).


    • theluthier thanks I will definitely try to come up with a short list of questions to ask; although that's not really what I meant.  I was thinking more along the lines of not questions, but observations or things we have learned about 2.8 by experimenting.  The kinds of things that would be useful or interesting more for a Blender user established in the fundamentals who will be transitioning to 2.8, rather than someone newly starting out.

    • crew

      jigsaw Indeed! This current class 'system' has essentially been an experiment using existing features of the website. We quickly learned that this linear forum thread is not ideal. But now that the class format has proven useful, I'm pushing for our web dev to build a proper system for Classes. I explained my proposal design [subject to change] in this livestream starting around 41:25.

    • crew

      jjakeblended OH now I see what you mean. Yeah a list of helpful transition tricks would be amazing! Maybe it'd be best if you add a bolded + all caps title "Tips for Transitioning to Blender 2.8" to a reply to this thread. And as you stumble on more things, add them to that original reply. That way I could link to that singular list via announcement or something. Great idea btw!

    • theluthier Okay, that sounds good!  I'll go double-check a few things I've picked up and then get a post up this evening.


  • Are we allowed to use any tools for the week one homework, as long as they are used in object mode?